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Episode 6
Warning, leaders: You can’t control culture. But you can influence it.
As a leader, you have influence on the employee journey of each team member. But there are many things you can’t control. Knowing the difference and reacting proactively shapes culture positively.
Guest

Russel Lolacher

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About the Guest

Meet Russel Lolacher, Host/Creator of Relationships at Work. Russel Lolacher is an international speaker and advocate for meaningful work relationships. He is the creator and host of Relationships at Work - the leadership guide to creating a workplace we love. A podcast and YouTube show where he talks with global experts on how to create healthy organizations. He’s held successful leadership and communication roles for almost 30 years, retaining one team for almost 12 years. His work and expertise in building employee and customer trust has been recognized on international stages, in Forbes, by Microsoft, Hootsuite and as a 4x named Top Thought Leader by the International Customer Management Institute (ICMI)

Summary

Your Culture Already Exists

Russel Lolacher: A lot of organizations don’t get that they already have a culture. Whether it’s good or bad, it already exists. Whether they exercise any influence over it or not, it is happening. I’ve talked to so many leaders who say, “Well, we need to focus on culture.” And I usually respond, “Do you know the one you already have? Because it might be very much going on without you.” Or we talk about this culture like it’s this huge, nebulous thing in an organization when really, there are 7,500 sub-cultures that are happening within an organization that get completely ignored because the people at the top just think of this “singularity culture” that doesn’t exist.

How Can Culture Drive Greater Profits?

Russel Lolacher: I understand the drive for [new] profits to keep an organization going, but how about saving money? How about saving money around onboarding, hiring, re-training, etc? That’s where a culture can be created that pushes belonging and human centricity. It’s about keeping employees. Employee retention. It’s not a magazine subscription where you care more about getting new subscribers than keeping the ones you have. Organization[s] needs to understand the human element in the organization they work in. 

3 levels of awareness leaders should have about their company culture:

Air (Outside environment awareness): As a leader, you want to look at culture first from the air, from the highest point. What are the influences on the culture that you have no control over? I did a presentation that went into every influence an organization’s employees might be having [on their lives] right now. We don’t become different people once we leave the workplace. We are completely influenced and conjoined by it. So, as a leader who is influencing (or not influencing) their culture, they first need to step back and ask what environment their employees already are in. 

Land (Situational awareness): What you can control and influence. This is situational awareness. This is understanding what you do and what makes an impact. For example, [an] open door policy. People don’t understand that it’s not about the door; it’s about the psychological safety people need to have to get into that room [and have that conversation].

Sea (Self-awareness): Looking inside yourself. Going deeper. That’s where the self-awareness is, the self-care. Too many leaders are wanting to fix problems and create that sense of belonging when they are broken themselves. Leaders need leaders. They need to feel supported and feel they belong. They are part of the culture and need to feel healthy themselves. 

Russel Lolacher: So I think to influence culture, you need to look at all three levels from a holistic standpoint.

Matt Vance: I think those 3 levels of awareness are huge. When I help a company culture have a transformation, it always starts with a baseline survey. It’s typically a more in-depth, longer form survey that goes through the key areas of company culture, from teamwork to psychological safety. Then there are open format comments set up to see what is going really well and what the main thing is that should be changed. As we sift through these comments and find the themes, we find that those comments match the trending top positive and negative experience drivers of the other parts of the survey.

Crista Vance: From our research, leaders have the most ability to affect culture. Having that self-awareness to be purposeful about how they’re treating others and what culture they are creating really impacts these workplaces and the culture that exists.

Russel Lolacher: And I would say an organization with a good culture will take that data and understand it. A great leader will do it. It’s great to do a survey, but better to actually take that data and understand it and act on it. That’s what makes a great leader and that’s a step that needs to be taken more often.

What is the “employee journey” and why does it matter?

Russel Lolacher: The employee journey is the path that an employee takes from beginning to end in every touchpoint in an organization. The beginning could be when they view your website to apply for a job. The end of that journey isn’t always when they exit the organization. Heading to another employer can still be included. They may still be engaged with their former employer. They could be a boomerang employee that leaves and comes back. 

The most successful organizations look at the employee journey holistically. What are the onboarding, hiring, and interview processes? I am a big fan of thrive interviews (rather than calling them stay interviews) and exit interviews. Thrive interviews are focused on checking in with employees to see how well they are doing in their current role. We need to look at the entire journey of the employee, rather than just singular checkboxes. We don’t want to forget about the employee simply because we finished their onboarding.

Making 1:1’s Impactful

Matt Vance: I’ve often seen that 1:1’s [between a manager and a team member] are one of the key drivers of engagement. It is the leader that has the most facetime with each employee. Having those ongoing conversations on a regular cadence is huge. I have found that monthly is a great frequency.

Russel Lolacher: I had half hour meetings with my team regularly that were completely dedicated to what they wanted to talk about. These were something they looked forward to. This was a conversation that allowed for a lot of freedom that wasn’t operational. It was much more thoughtful and personal. It showed me that there was enough psychological safety for them that they could be that honest.

Just because you have a check-in doesn’t mean you are doing a good thing. If there is no psychological safety or they don’t have respect for you as a leader, then that may be one of the worst parts of their experience in their employee journey. Make sure the one-on-one is more valuable to them.

Crista Vance: It is also important to focus on the quality of those meetings, not just the cadence. You can’t just suddenly be an awesome leader at that one-on-one. Leaders should showcase that they value the relationships all the time so that those meetings can be quality. 

Russel Lolacher: You don’t want to cookie cutter it either. Finding the sweet spot of not too few and not too many meetings is tricky, so if you talk to your employees and find what works best for them, you can find that sweet spot.

How does communication affect relationships in the workplace?

Russel Lolacher: It’s everything. I can’t tell you how many issues, good or bad in an organization are led back to good or bad communication.It’s either what’s said or not said, actions or inactions, words you use or don’t use, etc. 

Communication is so embedded into the DNA of an organization that [it] demonstrates what culture and leadership really is. If you are a leader and you only talk ‘up’ [the reporting chain] and you’re not communicating to the employees you manage, there is a huge problem. You’re breaking your culture because you’re prioritizing one relationship over the other.

Communication is learned

Russel Lolacher: A lot of managers and leaders think they are good at communicating because they have been speaking since they were 3. Leaders should assume they are bad at communicating, even if they actually are good at it, and regularly do what they can to improve it. Try sending your email to someone that can proofread it and check your tone. Having a safe relationship network around you that can call you out and help you better communicate can be a secret weapon that more leaders should embrace.

Matt Vance: Everything you do or don’t do is communicating something. Having consistency in frequency of communication is important. I try to communicate so clearly that it’s impossible to misunderstand in written communication, verbal and nonverbal communication. We have to be aware of what we’re doing, and sometimes that takes asking a trusted individual to tell it to us straight.

Matt Vance: Welcome everyone, and thanks for being with us today. We’re leveling up our plane of thought. In fact, we’re going a few latitudes north to visit with Russel Lolacher, who’s from British Columbia Canada. Thanks for joining Russel

Russel Lolacher: Real to be here, Matt, and Crista.

Matt Vance: Russel Lolacher is an international speaker and advocate for meaningful work, relationships. He Creator and host of relationships at work, the leadership guides creating a workplace. We love Podcasts and YouTube shows where he talks with global experts on how to create healthy organizations. He’s held talks with Global X, but he’s held successful leadership and communication roles for almost 30 years retaining one team for almost 12 years.

Russel Lolacher: Time.

Matt Vance: His work and expertise in building employee and customer trust has been recognized on international stages, and Forbes by Microsoft Suite. And as a four-time named Top Thought Leader by the International Customer Management Institute, So, where did you get started with the relationships that works show?

Russel Lolacher: The origin story. I was so as that very Onerous. Bio of mine. I really need to trim that down. Thank you so much. I was in the customer service space for a long time. It was why is very much I hate people being treated badly. It’s just been this anger trigger and this thing for me for years and it got me into the customer service space. I also have worked in the service industry and so forth for a long time, so it felt natural to do anyway. I’m gonna conference speaking in San Francisco and really get conference very focused on the customer service experience. No, different usual players, that sort of thing.

Russel Lolacher: And then I started asking questions about employees and the gla Look on people’s eyes. This is 2018. And just right employees. It was just this thing that they couldn’t even wrap their brain around because they were so focused on customer equals money, not anything beyond that. So, to prioritize employees was just sort of an afterthought for these customer service experience leaders. Also, the people attending the conference seem to not really give a crap about their own employees.

Russel Lolacher: Just the one equals two about money, which is important, but who makes that money for So that was such a motivator and a pivot for me. I still very much love the customer experience in that, but I felt like there needed to be more conversation and platforms. Around those that we work with every day as leaders, that want to be leaders that don’t want to be leaders. And I felt that needed to be a conversation that really needed a little bit more prominent. So I wanted to contribute to that discourse so that’s kind of where it started.

Matt Vance: I like that, I think that’s super important and honestly, pretty crazy that even in 2018, that was the experience you had of, Wait, what? I mean. Yeah, it’s really. You have people doing that operation of taking care of the customers. And there was one study that I saw in the UK group, they found that as employees are taking better care of themselves, it obviously ripples over to how the customers are treated. Right? It increases those customers’ satisfaction scores and it’s kind of a brainer that there’s a connection there. So I think that’s really important. Because you take care of your customers, right? It’s your employees.

Russel Lolacher: And it almost felt like the pandemic woke everybody up. It was like, wait they can leave. they can quit like it seemed to be blowing for so many leaders that employees had needs and wants and needed to know that values meant something beyond a poster that was in their HR department. Just, they needed a lot more for them to feel valued at work. And they were willing to demand it, and I think a lot of organizations finally woke up to that,

00:05:00

Matt Vance: Yeah, I think they needed the huge challenge that really shook a lot of people to kind of wake everybody up. So we also hear, you’re starting another podcast and we’d love to hear about that and what that’s about

Russel Lolacher: Sure, movie nerds. So, my baby is in a relationship at work. It is what I do. It’s my passion, but there is this part of me, I won’t lie. I’m a bit of a movie nerd. I started a community locally during the pandemic. That is quite grown with it with a host of mine. And we’ve decided to sort. I’m the guy that used to ask what were the trailers after watching a movie in the theater or finishing a restaurant job at one o’clock in the morning and going to the 24 hour video store. Yes, those listening, there was a thing called video stores where I would pick a couple of movies too and watch till three o’clock in the morning because I would go to other countries when traveling to look for movie theaters. That would be a different experience than back home. So all that passion of being a movie nerd, has got me wanting to start another podcast because the world needs another movie podcast.

Russel Lolacher: but it’s very much for me and my host because it’s sort of a labor of love. And if we can build a community locally, it’s not for everybody. It’s for Victoria bc, which is where I’m located and very much digging into our love of themes around genres, particular, actors, the span of their careers. So, because I’m busy, I’m letting him do all the production but I will watch the movies and I will talk about them but I’m letting him do all the heavy lifting because relationships at work keep you pretty busy

Matt Vance: Everyone does need a movie podcast when it’s from you you’ve got the passion behind it. So, did you find there was a huge difference between experiencing movie theaters in different countries?

Matt Vance: Wow.

Matt Vance: Holy Yeah, that is highly unique. I mean, the stage was set in both of those settings and a very unique way. I think that’s really cool. We’re so excited that you’re here. Let’s jump into some of the meat of the conversation, no pun intended there. so you’re coming to your podcast, your show Russel is really driving home. That there’s a human connection to be made at work between the leaders and the team members and even across from the peer relationship. I think there’s a lot of different dynamics or directional relationships that happen at work. So let’s talk a little bit more about how this connection impacts company culture and how that ripples to profits as well. So from your perspective, how does it drive greater profits?

00:10:00

Matt Vance: I love that and I love the way that you’ve organized, that train of thought at those three different levels of having awareness both of this environment around also that situational awareness. And then that self-awareness, I think those three levels are huge. One of the favorite trainings that I’ve ever done was all about emotional intelligence, it was called Blu EQ. You go through this self-assessment and essentially, you’re looking inside. I think it’s that sea level of seeing how you behave in certain situations. And are you aware of

Matt Vance: How do you make others feel when you behave a certain way? I think now that drawing that baseline in the sand is where it starts, at the edge of the sea you got to draw that line there. I also think that data is a huge thing for leaders. As you’re thinking about understanding all these different variables that are happening within the organization. Like you mentioned subcultures, for example, as the size of an organization gets larger, the management of the culture and existence of the culture itself becomes increasingly, more complex. And so having good understanding, good tools to have data to measure that is important. When I’ve helped companies through a company culture transformation, it always starts with a baseline survey and it’s typically more in-depth, longer form engagement survey where you’ve got of multiple choice questions that are going through all the different kind of key areas of company culture,

00:15:00

Matt Vance: Of leadership to teamwork psychological safety is huge and then you’ve got those open form comments as well, the way that I’d like to set it up is What is the one thing that’s going really well? And what’s the one thing that should change? top of mind, both on positive and negative and as we’ve sifted through those comments and found the themes, I found that those answers highlight the trending top positive and negative experience. Drivers that the company both needs to protect on the positive side and address on the negative and of course, it’s an iterative thing. But I love how you’ve brought up those three areas of awareness and how they connect directly to profitability. So thanks for sharing that Russel you mentioned also that leaders, maybe they’re broken themselves and that’s certainly possible. But what we’ve seen as we’ve interviewed and talked to people and from the research that we’ve done, is that leaders really?

Matt Vance: Have the most ability to affect the culture more and others oftentimes do. And so I think, whether they’re broken or not, having that self-awareness to be purposeful about how they’re treating others and what culture that they are creating really impacts these workplaces and the culture that exists.

Matt Vance: Right.

Matt Vance: Love that definitely is great. So with your expertise tell us a little bit about the employee journey and why it’s important for organizations to understand it.

00:20:00

Matt Vance: Very important. I think those additional layers of communication come from different touch points as well. from the corporate level of having those surveys that are happening on an ongoing basis. But those interviews like You’re saying, I love that repositioning from staying review. To thrive in an interview, just the name of it is communicating something completely different. But for me, I’ve often seen that one-on-ones with the direct team leader to the team member is one of the key drivers of engagement. Because that’s the leader that has the most FaceTime with that team member and them having that ongoing conversation on a regular cadence. Of course like you said yearly for those touch points is horrible but I’ve seen monthly is an awesome cadence. I don’t know what you’ve seen but maybe just kind of following up on thoughts around that and frequency.

Matt Vance: So maybe not focusing so much on the frequency, although we definitely want to exceed the once a year and maybe monthly is a good cadence, but focusing on the quality of that meeting and obviously you can’t just suddenly be an awesome leader at that meeting, too. It has to be all the time that they respect and value that relationship. So that when you do have those meetings, they can be quality.

Matt Vance: That makes a lot of sense and I like that Distinguishment customization. No, so I don’t know if you’ve come across this russel, but let’s say you have a leader who they’ve received feedback from, maybe it’s anonymous or not. And now there’s awareness that there’s damaged relationships between them and the people they lead. Maybe there’s a lack of trust and a lack of respect. Maybe they haven’t done things that they promised to do. And so there’s this kind of tension between them and their team. What would you recommend to that leader? How do they go about improving that relationship?

00:25:00

Matt Vance: Of that Matt’s favorite quote from Lee Atwater. Is Perception is reality. So if an employee perceives a leader, a certain way that is the reality of their situation. So the leader needs to take that seriously and use communication to resolve it for So, just kind of a final question here for Russel There’s obviously a lot of directional relationships that we’ve talked about the leader to their team, How does communication affect relationships in the workplace?

00:30:00

Matt Vance: Fantastic. Thank you so much for being here with us. Russel thanks everyone for joining us until next time we’ll see you.

Meet the Hosts

Matt R. Vance

Host, The Culture Profit

Co-Founder & CEO, Mobrium

Crista Vance

Host, The Culture Profit

Co-Founder & COO, Mobrium

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